eledamris ([info]eledamris) wrote,
@ 2004-08-30 18:26:00
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Now I have returned from the land of computerlessness. It feels good. I have a lot of things to say, so if you're looking for a quicky then look somewhere else.
First order of business. Women. Damn, I mean if I could figure them out I guess I'd be gay, but still, the stupidity... err... I mean mystery, continues. Why is it that they feel that the only way to get something from a man is to press up against his body in the most provocative way imaginable (short of actually jerking him off) and whisper in his ear what she wants, unless of course what she wants is the sex, in which case it's cool to ask like that. But really ladies, do you think guys are that fucking shallow? You couldn't just come up to me and say "Hey Gabe, could you help me out?" No no, you feel you have to get my attention with some PG rated seduction technique to possibly get me to think with my cock so I won't notice that I'm doing something nice for you without compensation. Here's an idea. Just ask. For real. Let's look at a case study.
I'm sitting on the couch with a male and a female on either side of me. I get up to grab a coke.

Male friend: Dude get me one while you're up.
Me: Ok (with possible addition of "I got your mom the last time I was up" or some such other classic line)

Ok, lets look at the same situation with the female. I get up to grab a coke.

Female friend: Hey, Gabe (said while twirling hair and looking at me with a pouty face) could you please (said rather baby-talk-ish) get me a coke? Pretty please?
Me: Um... ask me like a grown up and maybe. And I also love how you added "pretty please" on there before I shot you down. Now start back from the beginning.

Some would argue that this is the only way men will respond to women. I argue that those who argue this are full of shit. We do things to be nice to people because generally, people are nice, or at least want to be viewed that way. You know that "do unto others" thing.
Then the best part is these women also want to be respected as equals. Here's a news flash: those who I consider equals don't have to grope me to get me to do something for them. Those who feel they must grope, I do not respect. I'll fuck them, don't get me wrong, but I won't respect them. Which is really why men still rule shit. Women want to be treated with respect and seen as equal to men, but they don't want to act the part.
As usual, this does not apply to all women. There are many women (many who are my close friends) who do not fit this description. There are even a few men I'm sure who do this. But the fact remains that it pisses me off that a woman assumes that by trying to act sexy she can get something out of me that she could just as easily get by straight up asking me.

Beyond that, I finally have my room set up. It's totally awesome, and you should come see it. I just put up an auction for a miniature with a Buy It Now price of $8,000,000. For those of you who can't actually read numeric, that's Eight Million Dollars. I figure (with the help of the brilliant but deluded Mr. Upchurch) that the rich have to spend their money somehow, and why not buy a multi-million dollar paperweight. A lot of other stuff just sold for a lot of money, but unfortunately nobody took the Buy It Now option on that one. Alas.

Well that's about it for a long, long post. May the Khorne be with you, as saying the Force would obviously be a scientific mistake according to Dr. Murphy.



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get over yourself
[info]espritdeterre
2004-08-31 12:27 am UTC (link)
women use their bodies to ask for things because it takes an average of five minutes of bitching and moaning to get a man to do something nice for them (no matter how convenient it is for him). using our bodies saves us both time. who are we kidding? chivalry really is dead. we could ask like normal people, but since you're looking at our breasts anyway, might as well ask while the asking is good.

also, if i ever get stopped for speeding, i fully intend to attempt to flirt my way out. that doesn't make me your equal, it makes me your superior. it's a talent, not a weakness.

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Re: get over yourself
[info]mupchurch
2004-08-31 12:37 am UTC (link)
Wait, I'm confused. Is your title meant to tell Gabe to get over his own self? Because I read your reply and it's obvious somebody needs to get over something and it might not be Gabe.

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[info]espritdeterre
2004-08-31 01:09 am UTC (link)
Men in general should get over the whole, "We're the victims here," because it's tired. We teach people how to treat us, and if women are flirting with you to an extreme, there might be a just reason for it.

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[info]mupchurch
2004-08-31 02:29 am UTC (link)
Ok.

Men in general should get over the whole, "We're the victims here," because it's tired.

At what point did Gabe say that men were the victims? Isn't the feminism all about women being the victims? I thought that feminists (I am grouping you in this catagory due to your response, if I am incorrect in this assumption, please tell me) were trying to be seen as equal to men and to gain respect. How can a women respect herself by 'pressing her body against a man provocativly' to get something she could have gotten by just asking?

We teach people how to treat us, and if women are flirting with you to an extreme, there might be a just reason for it.

Ok this one needs some explaining. If I am to assume that "we" stands for everyone (which is the definition of the word) then how does 'pressing yourself sexually against people to get what you want' teach them to treat you? I can only assume that you are trying to say that men teach women to do that to get what they want. Assuming that this is true, and that you are right, then who is the loser here? The man that teaches the woman to touch him to get what he wants, or the woman who complies, therefore losing her own self-respect?

It is my opinion that this is not true, and that I have never made a woman touch me to get anything, other than sex. So in short, unless you want sex from a man, keep your hands off and just ask nicely.

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[info]espritdeterre
2004-08-31 04:00 am UTC (link)
i can see where one would refuse unwanted sexual attention. i'm just saying a lot of women naturally use touch to communicate, not to make themselves vulnerable or to barter sex for menial favors. i am not coy on purpose (unless you count the hypothetical traffic violation situation that i used as an example) unless the situation warrants. however, that is not because i find it degrading to women. men also use sexual prowess to get what they want, and in doing so, are no longer victims. everyone levies what they've got, be it looks, money, intelligence, etc.

"we teach people how to teach us" is often very true. with the exception of the occasional lunatic, most people respect others' boundaries. i don't mean to say that women *should* use their bodies to get something; i just don't have a problem with it in the lighthearted context implied in the post. it does not offend me in the least, unless the man is offended by the attention (which is another case entirely). if the woman is, at worst, annoying, he should just tell her. if he finds it particularly offensive, then why isn't he putting a stop to it?

i might also add that it is likely that the pouty, flirty thing is done more so as a flirting gesture than a manipulative device. in my personal case, i would be more likely to sweetly ask for something trivial from a guy i liked. if not attracted to him, i would talk to him normally. the action would be a means of flirting, not getting him to bring me a drink. at least, that is *my* logic. i can't speak for all women. and of course, each case is different.

i'm simply advocating that gabe look at this from another angle so as to take it in the best possible light (that he is being flattered). it isn't necessarily the right one or the wrong one, just a different perspective. since he admitted to not understanding women, i thought i'd try to give some (limited) insight. i guess he could take the pessimistic viewpoint and assume that women are dirty and manipulative when they needn't be, but it's also possible that they are just flirting with him. and since i have flirted with gabe, whereas you have not, i think i can offer my perspective. i'm fairly sure he will take it with the grain of salt intended because we've had many a discourse on the subject of women before. i'll leave it to him if he wants to talk about it further, but i've pretty much said all i have to say.

Women who seek to be equal with men lack ambition.
Timothy Leary (1920 - 1996)

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[info]eledamris
2004-08-31 04:08 am UTC (link)
What are you talking about?!! Mupchurch flirts with me all the time!! He's a coy one...

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Re: get over yourself
[info]hera_tyc
2004-08-31 06:44 am UTC (link)
Um, that's just sad, really, I mean do you really have that little respect for yourself to use sex as a crutch?

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Re: get over yourself
[info]spookikatt
2004-08-31 07:16 am UTC (link)
Okay, first off: i really really hope you get pulled over by nothing but female cops for the rest of your life. Secondly, just to let you know chivalry is not dead. It is, however dying and mostly because of girls like like you. And i have rarely had a problem getting a guy to do something for me without treating them like they are just a walking penis. Maybe your biggest problem is the guys you attract do to the way that you conduct yourself. Really the most shameful part of the entire thing is the fact that you act proud of flaunting yourself in such a manner. I mean, do you honestly think someone would give you any respect when you obviously have such little respect for yourself?

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[info]misspealt
2004-08-31 12:54 am UTC (link)
So...ok, I see where you're coming from Gabe. I don't understand the necessity of flirting unless I actually want a piece of your fine ass. Even then, I don't think that I would be so obvious about it. I have never in my life felt it necessary to flaunt my assests in order to get a guy to do me a favor. In my experience, a simple please usually suffices. Maybe it's really just a personal problem and I am living under the assumption that I could actually deliver the goods if I wanted to. Just for the record, if I ever do inadvertently flap my breasts into your face when I ask you to pass the ketchup, I give you the complete jurisdiction to ho-slap me into submission.

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[info]mupchurch
2004-08-31 12:59 am UTC (link)
Unfortunately any ho-slapping of my girlfriend that isn't cleared for action will result in immediate retaliation. Any wish to ho-slap my girlfriend must first be passed through the board of 'is this action sufficient cause for ho-slap?"

If I pass said wish for ho-slap then the ho-slapping may commence without my interruption.

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[info]morofthesea
2004-08-31 01:37 am UTC (link)
Women are too fucking crazy. Good thing lesbians are in a completely different catagory than "women." And even if lesbians were crazy bitches, real lesbians are invisible anyway.

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[info]eledamris
2004-08-31 01:53 am UTC (link)
I don't recall saying that men were victims. In fact, I'm pretty certain that there was a passage in there about how men "rule shit". I'm just tired of women talking about how men only view them as sex objects when that's how they present themselves. And then blaming us for it. Mas o menos. Nobody ever has to nag me for five minutes to get me to do something simple. Now if they want me to take a road trip with them to Texas and I don't really want to go, then yes, nagging is acceptable, but not to, say, hang a picture for them. And to the misspelt, it's cool, I wouldn't ho-slap you. But if you started with the breast pushing, I believe your dearly beloved might.

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[info]twingard
2004-08-31 03:00 am UTC (link)
I'm with Gabe. You speak the truth. Continue to preach your word to the masses.

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[info]pillsburypimp
2004-08-31 04:27 am UTC (link)
I like to comment too!

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[info]hera_tyc
2004-08-31 06:40 am UTC (link)
Yeah, see I don't try to flirt my way into or out of anything because pressing my tiny little boobs up against anything would only get a laugh...but I do find that asking does help since most people aren't mind readers.....to be honest I find women who try to use sex appeal to get what they want kind of sad..it's like they don't think they have enough self worth to get by on personality...unless they don't actually have a personality in which case I say use tits and ass to get what you want since that's probably all you have.....ok,I'm done now, I'll be on my way....later biatch, and don't worry about not understanding women, I don't understand us either.

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[info]espritdeterre
2004-08-31 12:53 pm UTC (link)
also note that i don't use sex to get what i want. i simply said that i don't get offended when women do. but that's because i'm a live and let live kinda person. if i want something that i'm too lazy to get up and get, then i will go without. but i won't go so far as to say that i've never done it (likely i have) or never will. but since you know me so well, it absolutely makes sense that you can accuse me of using sex as my crutch without ever taking into account the fact that i don't have sex *because* of an enormous amount of self-respect. my self-respect is based off of what i think i'm worth, not what people who don't know me tell me. fuck this, i'm done explaining myself.

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[info]mupchurch
2004-08-31 03:37 pm UTC (link)
Nobody said sexual intercourse. We are talking about using unwarrented sex appeal. I believe the non technical term for that is cock teasing. Besides I never claimed that this was about you personally. I believe everyone started talking in general terms.

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[info]espritdeterre
2004-08-31 03:46 pm UTC (link)
it wasn't personal at all until someone who doesn't know me made it personal. it wasn't you, so don't worry about it.

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[info]hera_tyc
2004-08-31 10:46 pm UTC (link)
I never said anything personal at all, I think any woman who bases her self worth on her breasts or anything regarding sex (that means using your body to get what you want, not sleeping with people) is a slut, regardless of sexual activity, so shove that one up your ass an have a nice fucking day.

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[info]prettydelial
2004-08-31 10:57 pm UTC (link)
I'm confused...I thought she was responding to Gabe, not you.

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[info]eledamris
2004-08-31 01:06 pm UTC (link)
I heart lively debates. I really do.

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(Anonymous)
2004-08-31 02:29 pm UTC (link)
It sure is lively. I don't know if its a debate. For that, the other 'team' (meaning one person) would have to make some points.

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paranoid much?
[info]stoopbeck
2004-08-31 05:58 pm UTC (link)
Is everyone talking about the same thing? Sounds like the worst the unnamed female friend did was flirt a bit. Is that a crime now? If she'd jumped you or something, I might could understand what all the fuss is about. But people are this upset about a bit of hair-twirling? I guess I just don't get it.

Girl's just trying to flirt with you. Deal with it and move on.


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Re: paranoid much?
[info]eledamris
2004-08-31 06:31 pm UTC (link)
I'm not actually upset about the anything. I just think it's dumb that women (who, I assure you, have no interest in me whatsoever) feel that they need to appeal to my cock-sense in order for me to do something for them. This also isn't a post about any one woman in particular, it's about a lot of observations and experiences.

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Re: paranoid much?
(Anonymous)
2004-08-31 06:39 pm UTC (link)
It wasn't just a little innocent flirting. Obviously you don't really understand the situation. This debate is not just simply about her actions anyway. She initially backed up her actions by stating that men are basically walking penises and that, in order to get what she wanted, she had no choice but to communicate with them in a way that numbs their sense of judgement. Even if she was actually interested in the guy, she insulted him by treating him as if he could only think with his animal instincts. I am simply in disagreement with the outcome this assumption engenders. The man is getting something he didn't even ask for, and the women may get what she wants, even though she could have just asked nicely, yet she also runs the risk of compromising her own self-worth. The argument was also made that it is ok to use your assests in order to sexually manipulate a man, yet it is wrong to actually engage in intercourse. It is ok to use your assests to manipulate a man who may or may not respect you,(chances are that he wouldn't respect you if he thought that you were so easy; what kind of girl would want to associate herself with such an asshole anyway?), yet it is wrong to share yourself in an intimate way with a man who reciprocates your own love and respect. If you use sexuality to get what you want, even if you don't intend on following through with your advances, there will be men who think otherwise and they will assume that you want them to take advantage of you. On the other hand, the men who are capabable of respecting a woman, you know, the kind that women say they want but never actually associate themselves with, will find it difficult to give you that kind of respect when you conduct yourself in such a manner.

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Re: paranoid much?
[info]eledamris
2004-08-31 07:02 pm UTC (link)
Ahh, wise beyond your years you are.

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Re: paranoid much?
[info]stoopbeck
2004-08-31 08:03 pm UTC (link)
Wow... I obviously hit a vein. I must not understand the situation.

Let me see if I can figure this out. You're upset because of a bit of "sexual manipulation." Would you have as much of a problem with it if she hadn't been using sexuality to get what she wanted? The example of flirting with a police officer was shot down earlier. What if I cried my way out of a ticket? Would there be as much of a problem with that?

Sounds like what you're saying is that women can't be open about their sexuality. Just what century are you living in?

And also... what? When did she say "men are basically walking penises?" She said that flirting saves time because guys usually see women as basically walking breasts in the first place. So I suggest that before you treat women like some kind of sluts for simply flirting, you should examine your previous actions toward them.

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Re: paranoid much?
[info]eledamris
2004-08-31 08:19 pm UTC (link)
Actually, I think the point she was trying to make is that the idea that men "see women as basically walking breasts in the first place" is not only bullshit at best, but also somewhat offensive to men. Maybe... and I'm reaching here, but just maybe the reason that men give off the perception of not respecting some women is that those women are the ones who don't seem to respect themselves. Then there's the crying your way out of a speeding ticket. So basically you're saying that it's ok to use the male's possible perception of female weakness to get him to feel sorry for you and let you off. Now lets look at it if I tried crying my way out of a ticket. The cop would look at me sideways, then write me a ticket and walk off shaking his head. You could be deceptive and try to get out of a ticket by playing the "cute little weak girl who cries over speeding tickets" and forever solidify a cop's belief that women are the weaker sex, or you could say "Yes officer, I was speeding, I know, and I'm sorry" and possibly make a good impression (hell, you might even get out of the ticket for just being honest).

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Re: paranoid much?
[info]stoopbeck
2004-08-31 08:28 pm UTC (link)
Actually I was just trying to pinpoint whether it was manipulation in general that there was a problem with, or just sexual manipulation. Personally, if I tried to cry my way out of a ticket, the cop would probably just laugh and give it to me anyway.

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Re: paranoid much?
[info]eledamris
2004-08-31 08:59 pm UTC (link)
Anyway, who are you? I don't agree with your opinions, but you're very good at stating them, which is admirable.

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Re: paranoid much?
[info]stoopbeck
2004-08-31 09:03 pm UTC (link)
Alex. And thanks.

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Re: paranoid much?
[info]eledamris
2004-08-31 09:07 pm UTC (link)
Go me, I'm psychic.

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Re: paranoid much?
[info]espritdeterre
2004-08-31 11:24 pm UTC (link)
i must not understand it either. i don't know what all the fuss is about. anyone who says they've never used whatever benefits they have (money, wit, looks, etc.) to their own advantage, is a liar. why is it okay for a man to be comfortable with his body, but if a woman tries to do the same, shame and scandal are attached to her? she could be rubbing on a man for many reasons a) she likes him, b) she wants attention, or c) she is a deceptive slut who thinks men are walking penises who only respond to weakness. now, call me crazy, but option c just doesn't seem logical.

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Re: paranoid much?
(Anonymous)
2004-09-01 04:11 am UTC (link)
Hmm, well let's see. No one said shame and scandal would be attatched to a woman who is comfortable with her body, in fact most normal women are, I think the problem presented is that a woman trying to exploit her body to get something out of a man is littele more than a slut. Calling any large group of people liars because they might not be doing the same thing you would do is a bit selfish since it makes you appear to think of yourself as a higher being than the others involved, and I don't care who you are, you're not better than anyone and no one is better than you, you're human deal with it. And finally, your option c is childish in that it takes several different statements from different people, throws them together in an attempt to make all statements seem a little silly. Please keep in mind that even if you are a tease and try to use your "benefits" to your advantage, it doesn't mean everyone does, some people have more respect for themselves and a level of modesty that I'm sure you can't comprehend.

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who me, human? no!
[info]espritdeterre
2004-09-01 04:27 am UTC (link)
we are talking about a woman asking a man to get her a drink or something trivial, not a goddam job or promotion. it bears no reflection on her other than she is perhaps too lazy to get up and get it herself.

if nobody uses their looks for anything, why do people spend thousands of dollars making themselves look better? because they enjoy wasting money?

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Re: who me, human? no!
(Anonymous)
2004-09-01 04:50 am UTC (link)
"women use their bodies to ask for things because it takes an average of five minutes of bitching and moaning to get a man to do something nice for them"

"anyone who says they've never used whatever benefits they have (money, wit, looks, etc.) to their own advantage, is a liar"

"if nobody uses their looks for anything, why do people spend thousands of dollars making themselves look better? because they enjoy wasting money?"

You claim that men won't do anything unless enticed by the promise of sex, then claim that all people are as vain as you appear to be, it seems to me that you don't count the people who are happy the way they are, who don't try to use their bodies to get something out of someone and who do nice things for friends just because they were asked. If you want to use your body to get what you want, go ahead, but don't expect to get any respect from it, a sex object is just an object, and objects don't get respect. As for the comment about spending thousands of dollars on looks, name one person in this whole discussion who has done that and I will give up and say you are right, but if you can't back up any of your self righteous bullshit with facts, then please accept that not everyone has your twisted logic.

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Re: who me, human? no!
[info]spookikatt
2004-09-01 05:02 am UTC (link)
i am for real! And actually, i spend money on things that i like rather than self improvements. If i do buy makeup or certain clothes it is because i like them. if someone else doesn't, well that then is their opinion and more power to them, but i by no means do anything i do to impress anyone. For that matter, i own like one thing of eyeliner and a bottle of foundation. and i don't cake it on everyday, i wear it when i damn well feel like it. and for a first date, i wear no makeup, cause i want the guy to see the real person first. and if you do spend all that money on self improvements, then you have one hell of an insecurity problem.

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Re: who me, human? no!
[info]eledamris
2004-09-01 12:47 pm UTC (link)
Who you is? I like to know who's responding. Just e-mail me at gthorn@huntingdon.edu if you're trying to avoid a lynching by anonymity.

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(Anonymous)
2004-08-31 08:21 pm UTC (link)
We look at the world and claim chivalry to be dead. Seduced by humanity's lust and murdered by its vanity. Though where the woman mourns its passing the slut takes it to her, or his, advantage.

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[info]eledamris
2004-08-31 09:13 pm UTC (link)
Gee... who could have written this one?

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[info]hera_tyc
2004-08-31 11:08 pm UTC (link)
That's a good way to put that, I don't know who you are, but you seem like a very intelligent person, go you.

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[info]mrmidknight06
2004-08-31 08:46 pm UTC (link)
Concur'd

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It's your friend Jason.
[info]schnauzy
2004-09-01 05:25 am UTC (link)
This is a commentI posted in my journal. I figured I would share it.
--I have something to comment on. I was introduced to an argument earlier and got to see many sides of the debate. It's a classic issue of dignity, or better said the lack of dignity. I guess what I'm boiling my point down to is that girls and guys are different. It's evident in most everything that the two genders are clearly distinct. This distinction frequently leads to misunderstanding. To thicken the plot even more, this misunderstanding seems to be used as a wild card by some in order to get what they want. Whether it's because they feel it's their gender's duty or what not does not excuse the fact that it's obnoxious. This is a card played by both genders. But it's not so much the category "gender" that throws this card. It's more of a sub-category called "those that get only what's deserved". To be specific, you're not attractive, pleasing, exciting, honorable, dignified, appreciated, or welcome. Take your childishness somewhere else if you can't let go of it. Because it's unacceptable at a certain point, maturity. Have a safe drive home.--

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Re: It's your friend Jason again.
[info]schnauzy
2004-09-01 05:28 am UTC (link)
p.s. Get your own coke.

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Re: It's your friend Jason again.
[info]hera_tyc
2004-09-01 05:30 am UTC (link)
Damn right!

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Success
[info]eledamris
2004-09-01 12:45 pm UTC (link)
Well, right now, at 45 posts, I believe this is the most responded-to livejournal post I have ever done, or ever seen. Thank you. That's two records in one day. The other one being setting my company's new pushup record. I like this one better though.

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That'll do...
[info]eledamris
2004-09-01 11:13 pm UTC (link)
"Chivalry is dead because femanism axe-murdered it in it's sleep."
Maud'Dib

"...and there are consequences to breaking the heart of a murdering bastard."
Bill

Now the reason I used these two quotes is that I have two very different points to make here. So let's start with the first one. Quite simply, I will be a gentlemen as long as the woman in question is being a lady. But as soon as a first date turns into a crusade for women's rights, niceness is gone. I believe in equality for men and women. I don't really see any reason not to. But is either superior? Nope, just different. We all know "seperate but equal" philosophies don't work (seperate but equal meaning in this case that women stick to a particular spectrum of life, such as housewifing, and men stick to another, such as making the money) so we have to find a way to be able to use our different strengths to achieve the same result. Unfortunately that cannot be done as long as each sex uses the other's false perceptions (or imagined false perceptions) to their advantage. Do I believe in people using their unique talents to the benefit of everyone? Of course. Regarding the first and primary opponent of the original post, I believe your outstanding intellect and drive to improve not only yourself but the world around you will result in a much brighter future. Those are talents to be used and celebrated. Your looks, which you certainly have, could certainly get you very far, but I don't believe the road that they would lead down is the one you want to take. Your other skills are too valuable for that. And since I you're smarter than the average bear, I'm sure you're well aware what the main cause of this post was, which does lead to a few bits of interesting thinking material.

Now on to the second quote. I used this from Kill Bill Vol. 2 because in the scene, Bill (slightly drunk) is pouring out his heart to Beatrix about why he did what he did. If you haven't seen the movies then you won't understand, and you should come see me immediately and I'll get you schooled. Anyway, his reason is that when you care about a woman, and she suddenly leaves, men react unpredictably. In Bill's case, he's an assassin, so his reaction is shooting her in the head. Will most guys react like this? Hopefully not, but very rarely are the results pleasant. Sometimes they just get mad about you and sometimes they get very vocal about it. But the point is that heavily flirting is playing with someone's emotions. This is not limited to women. I've been guilty of flirting with girls who I have no intention of dating only to be very strongly chastised later or, worse, hurting them and crashing their self-esteem. So it's all in the consequences.

To those who don't agree with me still, I have to say that I respect your steadfast, if somewhat stubborn, defense of your beliefs. And to those who agree with me, I appreciate your defense of my case. Hopefully there will be no hatcheting whilst I'm not looking, and I can promise that I will not hatchet anyone else. At least nobody who was involved in this post. There may be some unrelated hatcheting at a later date, but none of you. Unless you're on a rival pirate vessel, in which case I can't make any promises.

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Re: That'll do...
[info]hera_tyc
2004-09-01 11:25 pm UTC (link)
Is it over now? Will the forcing of views end?

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[info]ex_allatarie92
2004-09-02 08:48 pm UTC (link)
Go see Resident Evil: Apocalypse september 10, see "Alice" and "Jill Valentine". Hell, I would know who I would want with me if flesh craving zombies attacked. Or would you be more like Shawn from Shawn of the dead???? Hmmm......

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